Re: Work Proposal

[John Meylor <jmeylor@cisco.com>]

Jon Crowcroft wrote:
> 
> In message <3740F7E3.9A4@cisco.com>, John Meylor typed:
> 
>  >>christophe diot wrote:
>  >
>  >>> But I am a little surprised that we didnt get any feedback from other
>  >>> carriers and ISPs. More support would help to have a new ietf working
>  >>> group.
> 
>  >>I think we should all consider this point very carefully, particularly
>  >>since there has been extensive participation from many ISPs over the
>  >>last year in design, development, and testing of the current multicast
>  >>protocol suite, particularly MBGP and MSDP.
> 
> to say that MSDP is "carefully"..."designed" is stretching credulity
> and patience to breaking point.

Jon, please.  I said we should consider ISP support on this issue
carefully.  My point being that the only hope we have of moving
forward from concept to deployment is to make sure ISPs are involved.
This was the key to moving forward last year, it will continue to
be the key.  Randy replied, I appreciate his input.

>  >>Cheng-Yin's proposal made interesting points, and we should address
>  >>those points, but I don't think they warrant spinning off a new
>  >>IETF WG, let alone a new multicast service model, certainly not unless
>  >>we do get more universal and compelling ISP input.
> 
> sprint isn't compelling? do you want to sell any products?

Again, it will be easy to take this down a rat-hole through
mis-interpretation.  Sprint is and has been a very active and
important leader in deploying multicast, I work with these folks
daily and don't think I have to defend my support or appreciation
for their effort or ideas, and I think those that I work with on actual
deployment know I bend over backwards to help them out.
  My point was that if we are at a point where we are proposing
new multicast service models which effect all providers in general, 
we should get broad ISP input.  I hope this is not a tough or offensive
concept for anyone.
  Please understand, I am very supportive of this effort and new
ideas in general.

 John